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Lua List Spam

Erik Hougaard
There is a lot of spam getting through the lua-l :-(
Could we get a simply check on the sender name ? I know this has been
discussed earlier, but I think that we need to reevaluate the procedure ..

/Erik


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Re: Lua List Spam

Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo
>There is a lot of spam getting through the lua-l :-(

Yes, unfortunately. I'm very sorry about this.
(A lot more spam gets rejected, fortunately.)

>Could we get a simply check on the sender name ? I know this has been
>discussed earlier, but I think that we need to reevaluate the procedure ..

The main problem I see is that we'd reject postings from the people registered
in lua-l via Yahoo Groups because I don't have (automatic) access to the
list of subscribers. There are currently 222 subscribers at Yahoo Groups.

Suggestions welcome.
--lhf

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Re: Lua List Spam

rje-2
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:59:47PM -0200, Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo wrote:
> >There is a lot of spam getting through the lua-l :-(

<snip>

> The main problem I see is that we'd reject postings from the people registered
> in lua-l via Yahoo Groups because I don't have (automatic) access to the
> list of subscribers. There are currently 222 subscribers at Yahoo Groups.

Doesn't Yahoo Groups add a header, or some other distinguishable mark to
messages sent via it?  It wouldn't be a perfect solution, but I'd think it's
one worth investigating.

-- 
Rob Kendrick - http://www.nun.org.uk/
An exotic journey in downtown Newark is in your future.

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RE: Lua List Spam

Vincent Penquerc'h-4
In reply to this post by Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo
Title: RE: Lua List Spam

> Doesn't Yahoo Groups add a header, or some other
> distinguishable mark to
> messages sent via it?  It wouldn't be a perfect solution, but
> I'd think it's
> one worth investigating.

Yes, but it attaches spam ...

--
Vincent Penquerc'h

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Re: Lua List Spam

Scott Morgan-2
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Can't we at least filter out HTML from the e-mails?

Scott Morgan

----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: Lua List Spam


> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:59:47PM -0200, Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo
wrote:
> > >There is a lot of spam getting through the lua-l :-(
>
> <snip>
>
> > The main problem I see is that we'd reject postings from the people
registered
> > in lua-l via Yahoo Groups because I don't have (automatic) access to the
> > list of subscribers. There are currently 222 subscribers at Yahoo
Groups.
>
> Doesn't Yahoo Groups add a header, or some other distinguishable mark to
> messages sent via it?  It wouldn't be a perfect solution, but I'd think
it's
> one worth investigating.
>
> --
> Rob Kendrick - http://www.nun.org.uk/
> An exotic journey in downtown Newark is in your future.
>


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RE: Lua List Spam

Nick Trout-4
In reply to this post by Erik Hougaard
> The main problem I see is that we'd reject postings from the 
> people registered
> in lua-l via Yahoo Groups because I don't have (automatic) 
> access to the
> list of subscribers. There are currently 222 subscribers at 
> Yahoo Groups.

Well the easiest route would be for Yahoo to supply you with their list so
you can check mails against that and lua-l for acceptance. If you are the
moderator you should be able to get a mail saying who has joined the list
and who has left, so you can update your list. There is a list of members in
the options is there not (although buried in html).

Failing that... what about you get people to register with "lua-users"
afresh. This could have an optional mailing address (for lua-l message
receival and news etc). People wanting to see archives go to Yahoo-Groups -
or you could put an archive on lua.org or lua-users.org (and discontinue
Yahoo?). People wanting to post directly to lua-l via browser do so
"lua-users" site rather than Yahoo. If people registered with lua-users you
might also get more info from them about Luas use, shoe size, platform,
problems, favourite animal, version used, method of binding etc.

N


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RE: Lua List Spam

Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo
In reply to this post by Erik Hougaard
Perhaps now is the right time to ask this:

- Can anyone volunteer to set up and maintain the mailing list?
  The requirements are fast delivery, loop free, spam blocking ;-)
  and automatic archival. No need for moderation.

  Desirable features include accepting postings from people registered at Yahoo,
  searching archives, automatic subscription handling, automatic bouncing
  handling, header rewriting.

- Do we need lua-l at Yahoo? If not, it could simplify things.

- Does lua-users support mailing lists?

Norman Ramsey has kindly agreed to let me use their ezmlm list server at
Harvard. I did some experimenting and it seemed ok, but I did not answer all
the questions above. Moreover, I'd still have to maintain the list, and
this is taking me a lot of time (plus obviously it is not enough, as spam is
getting into lua-l...)

Perhaps someone that knows list servers and already has one installed would
like to volunteer to take over lua-l.

Let's take this discussion off the list now. Please reply to lua@tecgraf
directly.
--lhf

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RE: Lua List Spam

Enrico Colombini
>- Do we need lua-l at Yahoo? If not, it could simplify things.

Is there another way to search the list archives?

  Enrico

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RE: Lua List Spam

Bansard Stephane
Hi!

At least, the full archive is available from:
http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/lua/lua-l.html

 Stephane

On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Enrico Colombini wrote:

> >- Do we need lua-l at Yahoo? If not, it could simplify things.
> 
> Is there another way to search the list archives?
> 
>   Enrico
> 



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Re: Lua List Spam

Jim Mathies-2
In reply to this post by Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo
I'd suggest migrating all the subscribees from Yahoo over to the main list, then 
simply use the yahoogroups list as an archive store. You can do this by 
changing the yahoogoups list to a remote list, and subscribing the 
[hidden email] to the main list.

To do this, you guys need control over the lua-l list on egroups, er. yahoogroups.
Both Dave Jeske and Steve Dekorte used to work for egroups. I believe Steve setup 
the original lua-l list. (steve?) These guys could probably help whoever is going to control
the list overall to gain access to the admin interface for lua-l on egroups.

>From the admin interface, you can snag a complete copy of all emails registered
there and mass add them to the main list, then remove them from egroups.

I've cc'd Steve and Dave on this in case he missed the conversation here.

Jim



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luiz Henrique de Figueiredo" <[hidden email]>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Lua List Spam


| Perhaps now is the right time to ask this:
| 
| - Can anyone volunteer to set up and maintain the mailing list?
|   The requirements are fast delivery, loop free, spam blocking ;-)
|   and automatic archival. No need for moderation.
| 
|   Desirable features include accepting postings from people registered at Yahoo,
|   searching archives, automatic subscription handling, automatic bouncing
|   handling, header rewriting.
| 
| - Do we need lua-l at Yahoo? If not, it could simplify things.
| 
| - Does lua-users support mailing lists?
| 
| Norman Ramsey has kindly agreed to let me use their ezmlm list server at
| Harvard. I did some experimenting and it seemed ok, but I did not answer all
| the questions above. Moreover, I'd still have to maintain the list, and
| this is taking me a lot of time (plus obviously it is not enough, as spam is
| getting into lua-l...)
| 
| Perhaps someone that knows list servers and already has one installed would
| like to volunteer to take over lua-l.
| 
| Let's take this discussion off the list now. Please reply to lua@tecgraf
| directly.
| --lhf
| 
| 


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[lua] mailing list subject lines (was Lua List Spam)

Jacob Cohen
In reply to this post by Vincent Penquerc'h-4
Title: RE: Lua List Spam
> Doesn't Yahoo Groups add a header, or some other
> distinguishable mark to
> messages sent via it?  It wouldn't be a perfect solution, but
> I'd think it's
> one worth investigating. 
 
 
Speaking of Yahoo Groups, and this might be an unreasonable request, but is there any chance the name of the list could be injected into the subject line of the emails (like the subject of this email)?
 
Most other lists (such as boost and Boost-Users) have the subject line begin with the mailing list title, and this makes it easier to pick certain emails out from the rest.
 
-Jake. 
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Re: [lua] mailing list subject lines (was Lua List Spam)

John Fletcher
From:           	"Jacob Cohen" <[hidden email]>
Subject:        	[lua] mailing list subject lines (was Lua List Spam)
Date sent:      	Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:57:57 -0800
Send reply to:  	[hidden email]
To:             	Multiple recipients of list <[hidden email]>

> RE: Lua List Spam> Doesn't Yahoo Groups add a header, or some other
> > distinguishable mark to
> > messages sent via it?  It wouldn't be a perfect solution, but
> > I'd think it's
> > one worth investigating.
> 
> 
> Speaking of Yahoo Groups, and this might be an unreasonable request, but is
> there any chance the name of the list could be injected into the subject
> line of the emails (like the subject of this email)?
> 
> Most other lists (such as boost and Boost-Users) have the subject line begin
> with the mailing list title, and this makes it easier to pick certain emails
> out from the rest.
> 
> -Jake.
> 

Please please please, as it makes it much easier to sort them out.

John Fletcher

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Re: [lua] mailing list subject lines (was Lua List Spam)

John Belmonte-2
> > Most other lists (such as boost and Boost-Users) have the subject
> > line begin with the mailing list title, and this makes it easier to pick
> > certain emails out from the rest.

> Please please please, as it makes it much easier to sort them out.

In case anyone is not aware, if your email client supports it, you can
filter messages from lists such as lua-l by the "To:" field.

-John



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Re: [lua] mailing list subject lines (was Lua List Spam)

Oscar Lazzarino-2
John Belmonte wrote:
> 
> > > Most other lists (such as boost and Boost-Users) have the subject
> > > line begin with the mailing list title, and this makes it easier to pick
> > > certain emails out from the rest.
> 
> > Please please please, as it makes it much easier to sort them out.
> 
> In case anyone is not aware, if your email client supports it, you can
> filter messages from lists such as lua-l by the "To:" field.

ehm. I think that what the original poster meant was: if WE (manually)
put something like [lua] in the subject, then we can consider as "spam"
every message with a non-conforming subject.

Oscar Lazzarino

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Re[2]: [lua] mailing list subject lines (was Lua List Spam)

Denis Andreev
I think, that discussion about spam already began spam... It would be
time to stop it. Thanks.

>> > > Most other lists (such as boost and Boost-Users) have the subject
>> > > line begin with the mailing list title, and this makes it easier to pick
>> > > certain emails out from the rest.
>> > Please please please, as it makes it much easier to sort them out.
>> In case anyone is not aware, if your email client supports it, you can
>> filter messages from lists such as lua-l by the "To:" field.
OL> ehm. I think that what the original poster meant was: if WE (manually)
OL> put something like [lua] in the subject, then we can consider as "spam"
OL> every message with a non-conforming subject.

--Denq


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Re: [lua] mailing list subject lines (was Lua List Spam)

Daniel Silverstone
In reply to this post by John Belmonte-2
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 06:51:58PM +0900, John Belmonte wrote:
> > Please please please, as it makes it much easier to sort them out.
> In case anyone is not aware, if your email client supports it, you can
> filter messages from lists such as lua-l by the "To:" field.

Since the To: field might be wrong, or lua-l might be CC'ed or BCC'ed the
obvious filter to make is on lua-l in the Reply-To field, since the lua-l
software itself is inserting that header :)

Daniel

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RE: Lua List Spam

Enrico Colombini
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>At least, the full archive is available from:
>http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/lua/lua-l.html

Yes, but being able to do a real search (without having to download an
updated archive) can be very useful: I solved many newbie problems in the
past months just by using Yahoo's search feature.

  Enrico 

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RE: Lua List Spam

Peter Prade
I noticed that on the webpage http://www.lua.org/lua-l.html there is a link
"post a message" which contains the list email
([hidden email]).
and again in the first sentence ("There is an active mailing list for
discussing Lua at [hidden email]").
since there are robots out there that search the web for email addresses,
perhaps it would be a good idea to remove those links from the page.

Cheers, Peter