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[ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
Description: PUC-Lua aims to provide standard Lua in binary form to
Windows users for whome the phrase "What's a compiler?" is not a joke.

What has been done:
- I have transferred 2 Visual Studio projects I have over to the
PUC-Lua organization: The Visual Studio solutions for Lua and a
LuaDotNet project containing the Tuxen scripting engine.
- I have added a bin directory that contains binaries and installers for users
- Tuxen SE requires Lua 5.1 for which an installer is available.
However, there is a full copy of the Lua VS solution embedded (to be
removed).


What's not done:
- The Tuxen scripting engine doesn't work yet.
- At some point I'll fill out a wiki entry of the various Windows
projects that I've encountered.
- Figure out more about LuaRocks binary support, LuaDist. Further
investigation of nuget and chocaltey binary package managers
- Finding where to dovetail with LuaUsers wiki, and other Windows resources
- Add support for old school 2.4 LuaInterface
- Convert Tuxen and LuaInterface to 5.x

If you'd like to support the effort, please download the installer and
test it and report all issues on Github. I shall be pining for more
help with the Tuxen scripting engine soon.

*Fyi my Visual Studio Professional trial license is running out
tomorrow, I will not be able to respond to issues for a few weeks
until I get that sorted. (Welcome to Windows!)

Russ

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Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Hisham
Hi Russell,

This is an *awesome* initiative. I'm eager to help any way I can in
anything LuaRocks-related. (My helping abilities are limited by the
fact that I'm not a Windows user, though, but it would be great to see
a repo of binary rocks available.)

Side note: the Pope might have issues with the project name (PUC being
the Pontifical Catholic University, you know — several universities in
Brazil and other countries carry that name).

-- HIsham

On 18 January 2018 at 18:10, Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Description: PUC-Lua aims to provide standard Lua in binary form to
> Windows users for whome the phrase "What's a compiler?" is not a joke.
>
> What has been done:
> - I have transferred 2 Visual Studio projects I have over to the
> PUC-Lua organization: The Visual Studio solutions for Lua and a
> LuaDotNet project containing the Tuxen scripting engine.
> - I have added a bin directory that contains binaries and installers for users
> - Tuxen SE requires Lua 5.1 for which an installer is available.
> However, there is a full copy of the Lua VS solution embedded (to be
> removed).
>
>
> What's not done:
> - The Tuxen scripting engine doesn't work yet.
> - At some point I'll fill out a wiki entry of the various Windows
> projects that I've encountered.
> - Figure out more about LuaRocks binary support, LuaDist. Further
> investigation of nuget and chocaltey binary package managers
> - Finding where to dovetail with LuaUsers wiki, and other Windows resources
> - Add support for old school 2.4 LuaInterface
> - Convert Tuxen and LuaInterface to 5.x
>
> If you'd like to support the effort, please download the installer and
> test it and report all issues on Github. I shall be pining for more
> help with the Tuxen scripting engine soon.
>
> *Fyi my Visual Studio Professional trial license is running out
> tomorrow, I will not be able to respond to issues for a few weeks
> until I get that sorted. (Welcome to Windows!)
>
> Russ
>

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Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Roberto Ierusalimschy
> Side note: the Pope might have issues with the project name (PUC being
> the Pontifical Catholic University, you know — several universities in
> Brazil and other countries carry that name).

We (the Lua team, not the Pope) certainly have issues with this name.
Although we do not like, several people use the term "PUC Lua" to refer
to our distribution (as opposed to, say, LuaJIT). And the problem with
the University is quite real, too. Please do not use PUC in your project
name.

-- Roberto

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Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Joshua Jensen-2
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Russell Haley wrote on 1/18/2018 1:10 PM:
> *Fyi my Visual Studio Professional trial license is running out
> tomorrow, I will not be able to respond to issues for a few weeks
> until I get that sorted. (Welcome to Windows!)
Use Visual Studio 2017 Community instead...

-Josh

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Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
In reply to this post by Roberto Ierusalimschy
Sorry for the top post,

Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)

All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with. 

:D 
Russ

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network.
  Original Message  
From: Roberto Ierusalimschy
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:42 PM
To: Lua mailing list
Reply To: Lua mailing list
Subject: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

> Side note: the Pope might have issues with the project name (PUC being
> the Pontifical Catholic University, you know — several universities in
> Brazil and other countries carry that name).

We (the Lua team, not the Pope) certainly have issues with this name.
Although we do not like, several people use the term "PUC Lua" to refer
to our distribution (as opposed to, say, LuaJIT). And the problem with
the University is quite real, too. Please do not use PUC in your project
name.

-- Roberto


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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sorry for the top post,
>
> Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)
>
> All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.
>
> :D
> Russ

Bog-standard Lua. Nope, but the acronym makes me giggle.

"No Compiler Lua"? NC-Lua? hmmmm....

Lua Without Compilers? Push Button Lua? Complete Off the Shelf Lua (COTS Lua).

I like Push Button Lua.

Thoughts anyone? Unfortunately I know only one spoken language and
don't read enough literature. I'm amenable to historic references or
fables from any culture.

Russ

> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network.
>   Original Message
> From: Roberto Ierusalimschy
> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:42 PM
> To: Lua mailing list
> Reply To: Lua mailing list
> Subject: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua
>
>> Side note: the Pope might have issues with the project name (PUC being
>> the Pontifical Catholic University, you know — several universities in
>> Brazil and other countries carry that name).
>
> We (the Lua team, not the Pope) certainly have issues with this name.
> Although we do not like, several people use the term "PUC Lua" to refer
> to our distribution (as opposed to, say, LuaJIT). And the problem with
> the University is quite real, too. Please do not use PUC in your project
> name.
>
> -- Roberto
>

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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Soni "They/Them" L.


On 2018-01-18 10:42 PM, Russell Haley wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Sorry for the top post,
>>
>> Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)
>>
>> All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.
>>
>> :D
>> Russ
> Bog-standard Lua. Nope, but the acronym makes me giggle.
>
> "No Compiler Lua"? NC-Lua? hmmmm....
>
> Lua Without Compilers? Push Button Lua? Complete Off the Shelf Lua (COTS Lua).
>
> I like Push Button Lua.
>
> Thoughts anyone? Unfortunately I know only one spoken language and
> don't read enough literature. I'm amenable to historic references or
> fables from any culture.

Machine Lua?

>
> Russ
>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network.
>>    Original Message
>> From: Roberto Ierusalimschy
>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:42 PM
>> To: Lua mailing list
>> Reply To: Lua mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua
>>
>>> Side note: the Pope might have issues with the project name (PUC being
>>> the Pontifical Catholic University, you know — several universities in
>>> Brazil and other countries carry that name).
>> We (the Lua team, not the Pope) certainly have issues with this name.
>> Although we do not like, several people use the term "PUC Lua" to refer
>> to our distribution (as opposed to, say, LuaJIT). And the problem with
>> the University is quite real, too. Please do not use PUC in your project
>> name.
>>
>> -- Roberto
>>

--
Disclaimer: these emails may be made public at any given time, with or without reason. If you don't agree with this, DO NOT REPLY.


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Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
In reply to this post by Joshua Jensen-2
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Joshua Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Russell Haley wrote on 1/18/2018 1:10 PM:
>>
>> *Fyi my Visual Studio Professional trial license is running out
>> tomorrow, I will not be able to respond to issues for a few weeks
>> until I get that sorted. (Welcome to Windows!)
>
> Use Visual Studio 2017 Community instead...
> -Josh
>
>From what I can tell the Desktop C++ tools are not available in the
community edition. That's what the installer told me anyways. Do you
know better?

Thanks,
Russ

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Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
In reply to this post by Hisham
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Hisham <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Russell,
>
> This is an *awesome* initiative. I'm eager to help any way I can in
> anything LuaRocks-related. (My helping abilities are limited by the
> fact that I'm not a Windows user, though, but it would be great to see
> a repo of binary rocks available.)

Awesome! Er, I mean:
Your support invigorates me. Thank you. :)

Russ

> Side note: the Pope might have issues with the project name (PUC being
> the Pontifical Catholic University, you know — several universities in
> Brazil and other countries carry that name).
>
> -- HIsham
>
> On 18 January 2018 at 18:10, Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Description: PUC-Lua aims to provide standard Lua in binary form to
>> Windows users for whome the phrase "What's a compiler?" is not a joke.
>>
>> What has been done:
>> - I have transferred 2 Visual Studio projects I have over to the
>> PUC-Lua organization: The Visual Studio solutions for Lua and a
>> LuaDotNet project containing the Tuxen scripting engine.
>> - I have added a bin directory that contains binaries and installers for users
>> - Tuxen SE requires Lua 5.1 for which an installer is available.
>> However, there is a full copy of the Lua VS solution embedded (to be
>> removed).
>>
>>
>> What's not done:
>> - The Tuxen scripting engine doesn't work yet.
>> - At some point I'll fill out a wiki entry of the various Windows
>> projects that I've encountered.
>> - Figure out more about LuaRocks binary support, LuaDist. Further
>> investigation of nuget and chocaltey binary package managers
>> - Finding where to dovetail with LuaUsers wiki, and other Windows resources
>> - Add support for old school 2.4 LuaInterface
>> - Convert Tuxen and LuaInterface to 5.x
>>
>> If you'd like to support the effort, please download the installer and
>> test it and report all issues on Github. I shall be pining for more
>> help with the Tuxen scripting engine soon.
>>
>> *Fyi my Visual Studio Professional trial license is running out
>> tomorrow, I will not be able to respond to issues for a few weeks
>> until I get that sorted. (Welcome to Windows!)
>>
>> Russ
>>
>

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Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Joshua Jensen-2
In reply to this post by Russell Haley
Russell Haley wrote on 1/18/2018 5:48 PM:
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Joshua Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Russell Haley wrote on 1/18/2018 1:10 PM:
>>> Use Visual Studio 2017 Community instead...
> >From what I can tell the Desktop C++ tools are not available in the
> community edition. That's what the installer told me anyways. Do you
> know better?
Works fine for me, everyday.

-Josh

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Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
In reply to this post by Roberto Ierusalimschy
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 12:42 PM, Roberto Ierusalimschy
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>> Side note: the Pope might have issues with the project name (PUC being
>> the Pontifical Catholic University, you know — several universities in
>> Brazil and other countries carry that name).
>
> We (the Lua team, not the Pope) certainly have issues with this name.
> Although we do not like, several people use the term "PUC Lua" to refer
> to our distribution (as opposed to, say, LuaJIT). And the problem with
> the University is quite real, too. Please do not use PUC in your project
> name.
>
> -- Roberto
>

As I replied on a different thread name, I thought I would copy my
answer to here for historic searches:

Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I
had forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is
easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I
totally forgot)

All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua
sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.

:D
Russ

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Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
In reply to this post by Joshua Jensen-2
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Joshua Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Russell Haley wrote on 1/18/2018 5:48 PM:
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Joshua Jensen <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Russell Haley wrote on 1/18/2018 1:10 PM:
>>>>
>>>> Use Visual Studio 2017 Community instead...
>>
>> >From what I can tell the Desktop C++ tools are not available in the
>> community edition. That's what the installer told me anyways. Do you
>> know better?
>
> Works fine for me, everyday.
>
> -Josh
>
Great, thanks!
Russ

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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
In reply to this post by Soni "They/Them" L.
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Soni "They/Them" L. <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> On 2018-01-18 10:42 PM, Russell Haley wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Russell Haley <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the top post,
>>>
>>> Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had
>>> forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to
>>> ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)
>>>
>>> All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua
>>> sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.
>>>
>>> :D
>>> Russ
>>
>> Bog-standard Lua. Nope, but the acronym makes me giggle.
>>
>> "No Compiler Lua"? NC-Lua? hmmmm....
>>
>> Lua Without Compilers? Push Button Lua? Complete Off the Shelf Lua (COTS
>> Lua).
>>
>> I like Push Button Lua.
>>
>> Thoughts anyone? Unfortunately I know only one spoken language and
>> don't read enough literature. I'm amenable to historic references or
>> fables from any culture.
>
>
> Machine Lua?
Thanks Soni.

The name occurred to me on the way home. I'm going to go "all in Canadian".

Portage:
2. The carrying of boats, goods, etc., overland from one navigable
water to another.

https://github.com/Portage-Lua

Cheers,

Russ

>
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Virgin Mobile network.
>>>    Original Message
>>> From: Roberto Ierusalimschy
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 12:42 PM
>>> To: Lua mailing list
>>> Reply To: Lua mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua
>>>
>>>> Side note: the Pope might have issues with the project name (PUC being
>>>> the Pontifical Catholic University, you know — several universities in
>>>> Brazil and other countries carry that name).
>>>
>>> We (the Lua team, not the Pope) certainly have issues with this name.
>>> Although we do not like, several people use the term "PUC Lua" to refer
>>> to our distribution (as opposed to, say, LuaJIT). And the problem with
>>> the University is quite real, too. Please do not use PUC in your project
>>> name.
>>>
>>> -- Roberto
>>>
>
> --
> Disclaimer: these emails may be made public at any given time, with or
> without reason. If you don't agree with this, DO NOT REPLY.
>
>

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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Sean Conner
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It was thus said that the Great Russell Haley once stated:

> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Sorry for the top post,
> >
> > Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)
> >
> > All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.
> >
> > :D
> > Russ
>
> Bog-standard Lua. Nope, but the acronym makes me giggle.
>
> "No Compiler Lua"? NC-Lua? hmmmm....
>
> Lua Without Compilers? Push Button Lua? Complete Off the Shelf Lua (COTS Lua).
>
> I like Push Button Lua.
>
> Thoughts anyone? Unfortunately I know only one spoken language and
> don't read enough literature. I'm amenable to historic references or
> fables from any culture.

  Janelas de lua?

  That is, if Google Translate is to go by, that is "moon windows."

  -spc


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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Coda Highland
In reply to this post by Russell Haley
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks Soni.
>
> The name occurred to me on the way home. I'm going to go "all in Canadian".
>
> Portage:
> 2. The carrying of boats, goods, etc., overland from one navigable
> water to another.
>
> https://github.com/Portage-Lua

Sounds like a Gentoo fork.

/s/ Adam

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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 7:26 PM, Coda Highland <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thanks Soni.
>>
>> The name occurred to me on the way home. I'm going to go "all in Canadian".
>>
>> Portage:
>> 2. The carrying of boats, goods, etc., overland from one navigable
>> water to another.
>>
>> https://github.com/Portage-Lua
>
> Sounds like a Gentoo fork.
>
> /s/ Adam
>
Do'h!

Windows users won't know. XD

This looks promising. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lunar_deities

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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Jonathan Goble
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 5:11 PM Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sorry for the top post,

Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)

All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.

I propose keeping it simple: WinLua. At least in my experience, WinXXX has been a common way to name things adapted for Windows. It makes it clear what it is (Lua) as well as that it's specifically for Windows.
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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Dirk Laurie-2
2018-01-19 6:06 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Goble <[hidden email]>:

> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 5:11 PM Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the top post,
>>
>> Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had
>> forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to
>> ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)
>>
>> All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua
>> sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.
>
>
> I propose keeping it simple: WinLua. At least in my experience, WinXXX has
> been a common way to name things adapted for Windows. It makes it clear what
> it is (Lua) as well as that it's specifically for Windows.

Now *that* sounds like a win-win suggestion :-)

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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Goble <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 5:11 PM Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the top post,
>>
>> Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had
>> forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to
>> ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)
>>
>> All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua
>> sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.
>
>
> I propose keeping it simple: WinLua. At least in my experience, WinXXX has
> been a common way to name things adapted for Windows. It makes it clear what
> it is (Lua) as well as that it's specifically for Windows.

An excellent suggestion; I have to admit I overlooked that name.

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Re: Name for Windows Binary Project. Was: Re: [ANN] https://github.com/PUC-Lua

Russell Haley
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:43 PM, Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 8:06 PM, Jonathan Goble <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 5:11 PM Russell Haley <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry for the top post,
>>>
>>> Apologies, Roberto, you have said that before and in my excitement I had
>>> forgotten. ‎That, or being Catholic myself I have learned it is easier to
>>> ask for forgiveness than permission. (just kidding, I totally forgot)
>>>
>>> All jokes aside, I am now soliciting name suggestions as Drop-N-Go Lua
>>> sounds tacky and that's the only other thing I can come up with.
>>
>>
>> I propose keeping it simple: WinLua. At least in my experience, WinXXX has
>> been a common way to name things adapted for Windows. It makes it clear what
>> it is (Lua) as well as that it's specifically for Windows.
>
> An excellent suggestion; I have to admit I overlooked that name.

To my surprise WinLua was free on Github so I grabbed it as it's the
leading practical contender in my mind right now (changing minute to
minute, I have to admit).

I want this to be the main page on the wiki. Awe!

http://www.1zoom.net/Children/wallpaper/501856/z2818/

Russ

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